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http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/03/on-recovering-from-alcoholism-drug.html, See also my paper the critiques the claim that the Christian experience is unique Indeed. Instead, we have too many that believe theirs is the only truth, and are so confident its inerrancy, they feel compelled to enforce it in a world where evidence is really necessary to develop societal mores. You made some very good points. Introduction to the Old Testament; Introduction to the New Testament; Biblical Hermeneutics; Israelite History and Historiography; Hebrew Prophets; Romans in Context; Genesis in Context; Research Methods in Biblical Studies; From Conquest to Exile; Wisdom and Psalms; Science and the Bible; Torah. You will know whom I mean, Atheism may be comparatively popular with God himself, When a pious visitor inquired sweetly, Henry, have you made your peace with God? he replied, We have never quarreled., Henry David Thoreau as quoted in Henry David Thoreau: What Manner of Man? When asked, do you believe God exists?, I cant help but response with, what do you mean by God?'. Both accounts included a boat in which just a few people, along with animals, are saved from a universal flood. Yep. Every disciple of the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who draws out from their storage room things both old and new. to the barricades of heaven where Im from. And whether that link between what you perceive or experience and reality is as strong as you think. The social architecture of the church, from leadership to prayer groups, all functions along protocols and vetting systems based on doctrinal beliefs, trust-building with leaders, participation in activities, meetings and conferences, etc. Furthermore, I believe it just to consider that biases are adaptive. Peter Enns. Evidence presented to our reasoning faculties is one way of knowing, not the only way, which is obvious. It is transrational. But our access to the world of the Spirit is made possible by the existence of our own spirit. By Edward Wagenknecht, There is also the Alan Watts definition of the difference between having beliefs and having faith. And I am not sure about the analogy concerning trusting your wife, unless you wake up everyday lying literally next to a flesh and blood Jesus who literally speaks with you or even makes you breakfast some mornings. Good concepts of God and faiths are ripe with irony and paradox in their making the world right. Then here you go! Incarceration Nation He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit I do. One big reason is that I am convinced I would already be dead many times over without Gods guidance. I have written on Peter Enns before on our blog (see the link in the analysis to Evans' book) but seeing his name again led me to look up Enns and I found he wrote a recent piece on his blog titled "How Can I Trust the Bible . It seems like deep human contact or contact with God can exist only within the framework of these projects, based on the protocols of the overarching system. Only if he means it in the wooden empiricist sense. For the Tibettan Buddhidist, they may experience a vision of the peaceful and wrathful deities. In recent years, Pete has become well known for several highly popular books, including How the Bible Actually Works, The Bible Tells Me So, and the book we discussed with him today: The Sin of Certainty. I count it a great privilege to help students keep their horizons in front of them and come to know God better on their life-journey. And there seems to be a bit of a one-way mirror phenomenon going on. To paraphrase a much more succinct statement on the matter faith without works is a setup for very damaging failure. There are emergent properties associated with all healthy relationships, and these are put at risk when we struggle with knowing and doubting to maladaptive degrees. ), but its also important in a much deeper way. I suspect that leaving the Westminster cocoon could be unsettling, but you are still ensconced cozily in the moderate to liberal Christian cocoon. . Sorry for the aimless rambling and thanks again for your post! Or read my own my testimony where I mention the effect that finding and fully acknowledging goodness in people of all beliefs or none had on me. When a faith fights the fight of certainty of an understanding the world as-is putting iron age as-is foundations against present-day as-is understandings, the battle is already conceded. And I also can grok the paradoxical Essence of a Triune God, the kind of God allowing himself to be humbled and broken in kenotic sacrifice as an example of a new Way of Being, in hope of bringing forth a Kingdom. You just need to go a little further, Peter. The rule that clarity is the standard of truth subsequently achieved dominance in the Enlightenment (Bavinck, Reformed Dogmatics, 1 vol edition, 486). That instead, my friend needed to see realia like a man in a soviet prison who goes to the very cell wall and taps a message in morse. Perhaps less than that, I would be more arrogant, less loving, poorer, and have no progeny. Praying is not the same as imposing a religion on others. Often times it seems to me like Christians are busy trying to convince themselves of something they really dont believe, and so they put on their vibrant face, dress in their Sunday best, blare their contemporary Christian music songs, and speak with forcefulness, to appear vibrant to the world, because thats how they read its sposed to be according to the Bible, etc. There are multiple (a lot!) Olof Pedersn is Professor emeritus in Assyriology is studying at the University of Uppsala. ), In chapter 5 Learning from the Christian Mystics Benner discusses a knowledge of God that is transrational and contemplative.. Rather, knowledge of God is described by terms like: participation And it would be wise to recognize that I think. You can although quite innadequately (as with so many other things in life), still put them on the table. Bravo for that! I get your post. Can I find a certain kind of longing and hope to possibly be filled even on the Trump Train? Asking whether the enemy, or lunch, or nothing is moving in the bush over there is something we do together. As is knowledge of the Theotokos. Over the next twelve months our focus will be "Old and New: An . 3. Theists believe magic is real. Reason and sagacity cannot visualise Him. Just dont mistakethis as an argument for Gods existence. Its just where my thinking process is. Having beliefs was like always clinging tightly to something in the water to keep one afloat, always being afraid of letting go and learning to swim in the sea of faith. Really, evidence is simply a modern, western way of coming to belief or faith or knowledge? Perhaps its ones urge for drinking mothers milk when one is first born (who gave you a mother? If we raise it all today (or tomorrow or Wednesday tbh) we're going to make. So its great that God is guiding you and keeping you safe but yet not doing the same for kids with cancer etc. And two, what does exist mean? If labels have to be used, I wonder if you would identify, or at least sympathize, with igtheism, which holds that every theological position assumes too much about the concept of God. Which then opens up the question of what reality it what knowing we are engaged in. Faced with the incoherence of a fundamentalist/evangelical reaction to modernity, I have no problem accepting Pascals Wager and embracing your mystical/existential explanation. 2. However, I tend to apply such experiences to relationships that I have with the people that surround me not to the deities of ancient cultures. read the whole Chicago Statement aloud to his cat, Marmalade. It is knowing of a different order. There are multitudes of examples of God giving evidence to his people so they might believe, or trust him. And I echo your sentiments on the value of a more actively contemplative way of life. In other words, I dont believe in God because I see no evidence for God or I believe in God because the evidence proves it are both nonsensical claims for me.. Previous Post Wholeheartedness with Chuck DeGroat One final question. No different than if we observed sight to function so unreliably that 10 different people looking at the same event saw 10 substantially different things and this happened again and again and again and was in fact the norm. I have asked many people who say that they dont believe, what evidence would be sufficient for them to believe that God exists, and I think the opposite, what evidence would be sufficient to convince me that God does not exist That said, I can see the contemplative Hindu or Buddhist saying the exact same thing. Redemption to a broken world? I'm an author and biblical scholar. It is based on direct and personal encounter. However, today, philosophers who reject Cartesian or Substance Dualism acknowledge that subjective states like color, pain, and thoughts are objectively real using empirical tools. And we can also look at those experiences, and see if there is an element of illusion about them. How do you know these are HIS words? In this context, for practical reasons, some times its time to stop thinking and to take action based upon the best information and limited brains computational power and time available. . Catholics see Angels, Mary and Jesus, Protestants usually just see Angels and Jesus, and one Protestant apparently saw a talking Bible in his NDE, while another claims to have been to heaven dozens of times and seen images from everything In Revelation, and Mormons have their own NDE bulletin, Betty Eade had a bestseller about meeting a Mormon Jesus who was not God, universalist NDEs, then there are Hindu and Buddhist visions and NDEs, like seeing a talking Buddhist turtle god, while native Americans have totem animal visions, and New Agers and some other folks claims to have seen Angels, UFOs, aliens of different species. This is why I read your blog, Pete! Peter Enns' latest book is written in praise of question marks, especially those that crowd our minds when God goes missing. Deities that the Christian faith does not hold to exist. Im familiar with various concepts of God. What are you reading good Sir, that I may know too? As a United Methodist, part of how I articulate this is in the language of experience (1 part of what Albert Outler named the Wesleyan quadrilateral). He has taught extensively at the seminary and doctoral levels (Westminster Theological Seminary, Princeton Theological Seminary, Harvard Divinity School, Fuller Theological Seminary, Lutheran Theological Seminary in Philadelphia, Biblical Theological Seminary) and on the undergraduate level (Temple University and Messiah College). Peter Enn's Argument for a Metaphorical Interpretation of the Bible and Why Universalism Is As Legit As . From this, I have a question for you; isnt it also completely reasonable (and rational) to look at the fruits of other peoples experience to see that their belief and faith are grounded in the truth? It does though offer means to consider qualitative differences. Its not that we dont know, its that our knowing is ultimately so relative. Interesting title. Westminster Theological Seminary "what Genesis says about Adam and the consequences of his actions does not seem to line up with the universal picture that Paul paints in Romans and 1 Corinthians []. Instead, he needs to go the edge of the realm and scratch against the edges. (2 Peter 3:9), he does not force his love on anyone. To conclude, I'd like to quote Enns one more time. Id suggest if participation, longing, , and immediacy are ways of knowing God, that they would more need to be means of recursively traversing an infinite regress of fractal complexity than means of simply and linearly knowing a static being. It is in this context, that Christianity, for me, is a profound disappointment. James KA Smiths Desiring the Kingdom. Im loosely affiliated with an international church (evangelical) in Beijing; and it is quite stark to me here how the Western mind (American in particular) shapes and engages with Christian faith. I am Peter EnnsI am a biblical scholar. Do you know many others like yourselves? While some would say the orthodox Nature of God and his Oneness pertains to Being, I think most more linearly worship something that is more a manner of /a/ being than Being. Enns believes that there are many different views of God and that we human beings cannot tell which is the correct ones, and that it is better that we do not know for certain than that we do know for certain. 254). One atheist and evolutionist, Dr. Jerry Coyne, believes very strongly that evolution and Christianity are not at all compatible. As is knowledge of Allah. 2020 Peter Danner. perhaps the matter of knowing God is based on ones necessity to survive. Intelligence, understanding and attainment cannot attain the depth of knowledge to study or scrutinise the Godhead. I realize that there is a long and rich history of discussion over difficult philosophical issues concerning the existence of God. Human faculties of conception, perception and learning, and attributes of volition, intuition and apprehension cannot catch sight of His Person or fathom the extent of His Might and Glory. Culturally, we tend to have a project-based approach toward church life. Dave Burbank Then once that person starts walking with God God (should) will reveal the truth to them. If yes, then how are we to treat the writings from the same period by men such as Josephus or Pliny. Graciousness to Americans and more? What of our spiritual experiences then? I think the Mystics have something important to say. The western way of knowing privileges the observation and analysis/testingofexternal evidence by knowledgable, experienced, and educated people who make arguments and defend them. In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. In passing, he also makes a very interesting observation about contemporary Protestant theology: "I live in an ecclesial world in which those who value Christian orthodoxy as a concept seem invariably to drift towards either Rome or Constantinople or some amalgamation of the two which is represented by no existing church. Whoever accepts His Attributes to be other than His Person then actually forsakes the idea of Unity of God and believes in duality ( He and His Attributes). Many dont understand that the contentions among faiths is fought (and will be won in the end) not on the grounds of being right, but on the grounds of making the world right. In these chapters God fashions "the man" (ha adam) from earth (adamah), breathes life into his nostrils, and makes him a caretaker . He is a cohost of the popular podcast The Bible for. Thanks for an honest perspective which does not offer more than can be proven. Some have thought it to be evasiveness. darkness, a vulnerable faith, and the normal Christian life, Spirituality and the Awakening Self: The Sacred Journey of Transformation, http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/08/christians-or-non-christians-who-suffer.html, http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2016/01/gods-mixed-messages-youth-pastor-killed.html, http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/03/on-recovering-from-alcoholism-drug.html, http://infidels.org/library/modern/ed_babinski/experience.html, http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/01/leaving-ministry-left-ministry-polls.html, http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cruz-any-president-who-doesnt-begin-every-day-his-knees-isnt-fit-be-commander-chief-nation, http://www.al-islam.org/tradition-myrobalan-fruit-hadith-al-halila-imam-jafar-al-sadiq/hadith. apprehension uncluttered by thought You presume too much Ed. There are also cases of people who were converted to Christianity after suffering drug or alcohol addiction, but later they realized Christianity was their new drug and gave that up too, and felt BETTER for having done so: 3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; That is a blessing from God. If this is my basis, Im as comfortable (maybe more comfortable) with a Great Spirit of native Americans as I am with a YHWH of Israel. I think there are multiple reality tunnels and people make many different claims concerning their personal experiences. Peter Enns (Ph.D., Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of biblical studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. (Isnt this another example of a way of knowing?). But parents in talking with each other can often immediately grasp when a fellow parent reveals that they share that same experience. And what religion, denomination, sect or cult doesnt seek to inculcate a sense of trust and intimacy toward its depictions of God, holy prophets or holy writings? This is perhaps another way to look at the sin of certainty. Thoughts. At best, such persons hopes could make an iron-age reality better. Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies, Back to Undergraduate Theology Department, Graduate & Online Undergraduate Admissions, Palmer Theological Seminary and Palmer College. Origen and universalism, in general, were condemned as unorthodox at the Fifth Ecumenical Council of Constantinople (A.D. 553) . However, there are many Christians in our country who also want to enforce solely biblical beliefs here too. Maybe even online? I think you are conflating your own journey with mine. Try the works of John Hick, former Evangelical who became a fascinating philosopher of religion and sought a common transcendental basis for them all. Which I think is the case, but I dont want to speak for Ed. Therefore, that which is felt or known by the senses, having shape and colour, cannot be God. First, let me say that I hold to the position that without faith one cannot please God His words, not mine. Peter Enns' new book, How the Bible Actually Works, at its best seeks to place us on the hard, but rewarding, path of wisdom. and disasters not be confused with experience. Rather, knowledge of God is described by terms like: immediacy Instead only their book features inspired writingsthe truth and stories necessary to believe, and of course conservatives, moderates and liberals differ concerning what that book really means or what the most essential and necessary lessons are. Dr. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. There do not exist words in any language to specify or define His qualities, peculiarities, characteristics and singularities. [pp. Youve concisely and clearly explained the way I understand my faith and conviction in the existence of God. It goes without saying that the writings you mentioned can contain interesting concepts, but they do not reveal the God of the universe anymore than an Agatha Christy mystery, which I dearly enjoy. Knowing God is a life-long participation. Peter Enns is a very appealing writer evidenced in his The Bible Tells Me So. One of the things Ive yet to see in Dr Enns and other Evangelicals take up of evolution is a robust address of its implications to thinking. (Ive blogged on Benner several times, for examplehere. Enns's methodology seems to be in direct conflict with an understanding of Scripture that affirms one divine author (and therefore one truth), and with a hermeneutic that, for the sake of knowing God and his gospel better, seeks to bring the entire relevant teaching of Scripture to bear on a particular passage.36 This is the reason, it seems . There is none for 11 Peter, a writing a majority of critical scholarship places at some point in the 2nd century long after Peters death (Wikipedias page on it is a decent starting point showing the various arguments). 14 Tage gratis - jederzeit kndbar | Lies & hre unbegrenzt | Groe Auswahl an neuen Bchern | 9/10 lesen mehr mit Nextory | Fr Buchliebhaber . It was first proposed by the unorthodox church Father, Origen (ca. Read Dr. Enns full CV, B.S. This implies that Joker3857 believes that one cannot be a christian if they think the bible to have errors. All of life is a response. contemplative And the one thing that every single wisdom tradition or religious group teaches is the way. Professor; Executive Director, Roper Center for Public Opinion Research; Robert S. Harrison Director, Cornell Center for Social Sciences. The Bible does not say Flood was universal (55). (As ridiculous as it may sound in our context) I was on a run and received a word of prophecy to deliver to an old friend. This way of knowing, too, is a pluralistic way of knowing and can be reflected upon both with and without special pleading. There are a variety of reasons (speaking myself) that I believe while having doubt and disparaging my trust in God (Jesus) does not solve the dilemma (my own opinion) but creates more problems ( I was not raised Christian either in fact I did not become a Christian until a few years ago). Are they indeed properly basic?. An Atheist Evolutionist Asks a Good Question of Dr. Peter Enns October 22, 2012 It seems that Young Earth Creationists are not the only ones who find BioLogos' attempt to "reconcile science and faith" lacking. He has written or edited over a dozen books and many articles and essays. Alot of us have reached the point where the only left left to do is bring people together despite our differences. He has written numerous books, including The Bible Tells Me So, The Sin of Certainty, and How the Bible Actually Works. People who call others incredibly stupid and foolish beyond measure for not sharing their own religious positions ought to take a look in the mirror. There is no external mention of the writing until Origen in the 3rd century. If the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ does exist, watch out. Robert Anton Wilson pointed out how many people cling tightly to a single reality tunnel and dont dare to seek all the ways their tunnel overlaps with that of others. I dont think God would. No- before the 70s it was safe for white little girls and boys to walk down the street correct yourself- thee was never a time in any country where there was absolute peace- even in the Bible. Tweets at @peteenns. An Atheist that believes in God. The good news is that those who humble themselves and say yes when He calls do experience Him in an undeniable complete way. Contemplation is apprehension uncluttered by thoughtparticularly preconception and analysis. Bavinck has a tendency to get to the point doesnt he ? and Ph.D. Harvard University Pages turning What should be the impact? We go crazy in solitary confinement, when stranded on an island, when lost in the wilderness solo. Some people really like what I say. Why? There are surely myriad of ways of knowing God In the provIsIons that are avaIlable to each one of us, As one is riding the Starlight Express propelled through time experiencing mAturity, old Age And deAth. 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